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Post by Eloisa » Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:56 am

Hi Guys

Just putting my thoughts up publicly for future reference. In regards to the private correspondence with him and Maureen recently.

Thanks Lena for keeping me in the loop.

My thoughts:

I do question the strikes. But there definitely needs to be feedback.

I feel like Pierre is trying to blame spirits now rather than take personal responsibility. He is right he can’t trust his own feelings presently due to being so spirit influenced and not wanting to love due to desiring to hold onto his unhealed emotions which he is going to automatically ‘act out’ of until he is willing to feel them (as we know with what we have all been doing personally).

We have been pandering to Pierre on the forum so far.
He has been told untruth’s about his condition in likening him to yourself when he is actually not Nicky and this has led him to believe things that are untrue.

He is wanting to blame women for his injury and manipulate others to avoid feeling his own emotions and with his latest response he is actually wanting to now blame spirits for his lack of desire to actually own his own feelings. Rather than seeing he is attracting spirits because he wants them and agrees with them.

It is his choice to do this. He is using his will in this direction.

It is such a problem when we don’t want to feel because we are so easily manipulated by others.

Pierre is the type of person I want to avoid due to not wanting to be on the receiving end of his rage.

Most of what he wrote to Maureen applied to himself. This is very like when Maureen writes. Most of what she writes applies to herself (as it does with me and most of us).

We have up until this time ‘approved’ of Pierre’s behaviour without actually stating to him the truth of what (the bits we can feel) is going on. I feel it would be better to address stuff publicly that is there and comes up than totally striking him for private correspondence. When we do address stuff really straight up it will highlight the truth and if he continues to react in the same way, which presently seems likely, then a strike would be appropriate. I feel a bit more tentative about striking at the moment particularly while I am still living in my fears. I want to say the truth and see what happens and then stick to the terms of use with what I can feel.

No problems with making the private public, it is great to be transparent. I would address with Pierre and Maureen what is going on, like you have and maybe the below is an opportunity to address Pierre’s desire to blame women rather than take personal responsibility. And begin to stand up for the truth rather than pander to our fears?

http://forum.divinetruthhub.com/viewtop ... e4ef#p3455

Love Eloisa




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further correspondence between us & Pierre's from email corrospondance:

Oh, just something I forgot to add....if you are uncomfortable/disagree with my feelings of 2 strikes in this situation that is totally fine. Just thought I'd offer to you whether you'd desire to write the strike up as you mentioned you'd like to have a go depending on how much time you have over the weekend.

Also, I forgot to forward the above to Eloisa (particularly Pierre's latest response), so I've just forwarded this email to her so she can see this to keep her in the loop.

Cheers Lena


On 12 February 2016 at 21:46, Nicky Primetica <nicky@divinetruthhub.com> wrote:
Hey Lena

Yea I agree with what you have mentioned in addition to Pierre. I have forwarded his response to my email.

I feel 2 amber strikes is the right way to go on this one, considering he has received no warnings as of yet. It's probably a very similar strike thread to the one I wrote up for Mike.

If you would like to write it up, let me know, otherwise I am happy to do so. I feel it is important to get the strike thread up on the board over the weekend at the latest.

Anyway, let me know!
Cheers

Nicky
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Pierre Joseph <pierre.joseph99@gmail.com>
Date: 12 February 2016 at 10:01
Subject: Re: Issue of love
To: Nicky Primetica <nicky@divinetruthhub.com>


Hi Nicky,

Thank you very much for your feedback.

I think it might be evil spirits who wants to create dischords on the forum between members and that used my (and other people) injuries to manipulate them into doing so. It is a big issue for me and I hope I will open to the truth about how bad I treated Maureen as a result of reaching out unlovingly and then sharing loads of untruths I felt truthful as a result. Very tricky.

Your feedback helps me greatly to become more aware of what might be going on when I feel a compulsive desire to reach out suddenly towards someone...

Second issue is learning to stand up for truth instead of placating woman or running away BUT only when appropriate. I dont want to keep hurting my sisters AND NOW START TO SEE ALL THE WONG I DID.

When I feel hurt/angry and don't feel love for others, I chose generally to refrain to post/communicate until I deal with it. While I originally felt hurt (injustice) about what she accused me of (the spirits were aware of Maureen injury but I was not), I waited and praid to be shown the truth until I felt more clear and light hearted. Then I responded. An issue is that I felt lot's of love (warmth in my heart) for Maureen (very different from the feeling of anger/ressentment for an addiction not met and wanting to punish/blame a person), and still feel, in the entire the process of responding to her while I might be in complete self dilllusion about it as you mentionned me being actually in a passive agressive rage. I feel really lost now.

It feels now like I cannot trust my own feelings ! That's a problem because I put anybody else opinions about my feelings above my own if I can't trust my own feeling. I should value just opinions of people in a better condition than me, but I need to be able to correctly assert who is then.

I asked myself before posting if I would like to be contacted like I did with Maureen, and I could not find it a problem and I really believed it was a valid question. I trusted I was behaving ethically ! Now , I see that I would find it a bit weird / intrusive and not of God's soft caring touch to be asked this question.

I am starting to touch the addictions the spirits hoocked into to manipulate me into writing, and then giving a feedback that is incorrect. One is a need to feel worthy, another is a need to feel approved (a OK person). I put Maureen down as I feel she is more worthy than me. I will come back later on that when it becomes more clear. I am quite in shock for the moment.

Cheers, Pierre



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2016-02-12 0:02 GMT+11:00 Nicky Primetica <nicky@divinetruthhub.com>:
Hello Pierre

Thanks for your message outlining your concerns.

Having read your exchange with Maureen a couple of times and feeling about it, I have some stuff that I'd like to mention.

1) I do feel you private messaging Maureen about her profile picture on the forum seems off. It does seem quite random for you to send such a message, questioning her about the clarity of her picture when you have not yet been able to upload one of yourself - this seems hypocritical to me (which I have been facing the truth of in myself quite a lot recently)

2) Maureen was upfront/truthful/sincere with you about her feelings without facade to be honest. I can see how Maureen may have been slightly defensive in her response to you (and that could be because she has some feelings of people overriding her own will in the past), but that is understandable considering the nature of your initial abrupt and intrusive private message to her. There does appear to be a few reasons why you may have chosen to private message her in the manner that you have. It could be that you:

a) Wanted to get some kind of addiction met through Maureen (this could be some sexual based feeling/validation as it is concerning her profile picture, but I'm not sure, you will have to feel more about that)
b) Spirits around you have manipulated you through your own unhealed emotions to message Maureen.

I'm not saying it is either a or b, it could be both OR neither - these are just my feelings as to what may be going on with you that drove your actions.

3) It seems to me that because Maureen replied to you in truth and not met your addiction(s), you wrote back to her in facade and addiction again. This is evident because your response is very waffley/long winded and it drains energy to read through. If you compare that back to Maureen's message, it was quite succinct and straight to the point.

4) You have responded to Maureen quite manipulatively and the main feeling I am feeling from it Pierre is this passive aggressive rage. You are telling Maureen that she has been triggered by your message, but in reality it is the other way round. You have also accused her of many things that she did not do to you. To me, all it feels like she has done is responded to you in sincerity/standing up for truth and in response, you have overreacted.

This is a current theme playing out on the forum - as you may have seen with MikeWithGod/ Rita. This appears to be a very similar dynamic here. Mike engaged the forum to get some addictions met, Rita responded in a direct way and did not give him what he wanted. He reacted to her in a very attacking manner (that the forum staff, particularly myself did not address initially due to our fears).

I am not sure how to go about addressing this publicly as it is an attraction that has come from the forum. My gut instinct is to publicly disclose this interaction, but because you latest response is very long winded, it will be tricky for people to discern the issues of love.

I will have to feel a bit more about how this can be delivered in an informative way to the forum, but it is one that I definitely feel should be publicly made available.

I will also forward this email to Maureen to keep her in the loop.

Cheers Pierre
Nicky

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On 10 February 2016 at 13:01, <nicky@divinetruthhub.com> wrote:
Hello Administrator,

The following is an e-mail sent to you through the administration contact
page on "Divine Truth Hub Forum Board".

The message has been sent from an account on the site.
Username: Pierrejoseph
E-mail address: pierre.joseph99@gmail.com
IP Address: 202.22.135.23
Profile:
memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=139


Message sent to you follows
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Nicky or any other administrator of the forum,

I would like to share with you a private exchange of 3 messages that
happened between Maureen and me and that felt off, and, that they might be
issues of love here to address. I am perfectly OK to make it public if this
might help others. Thanks

TOPIC: Maureen Profile Picture

Sent: Mon Feb 08, 2016 3:40 pm
by Pierrejoseph
Hi Maureen,

your profile pic feels like you are wearing a mask/facade. Why?
Always see it :shock: and I desire to see the real face helping to connect.

Cheers
Pierre

PS: I did not manage to upload a valid recent pic of me, it does not work
for some reasons. But I find nice to see people faces and appreciate it,


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Sent: Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:39 pm
by maureen
Hi Pierre....thanks for the request...but I do want to mention too that I
don't feel like it is harmony with God to message me to confront me about
something unsolicited.

I just want to share this with you. I am currently working on this issue
myself (which has many facets)...and am beginning to learn nowadays more
about honoring the free will of others and giving every human being space
to exist and be who and where they are at the moment. And learning too how
and when and where to coexist with "truth" with other people in ways that
honor them.

I am going to change my picture at some point when I have one to upload and
take the time to do that. And, yes I have emotions around the larger issues
of being seen and open and vulnerable...(that have a lot of aspects to it
that I am always exploring) but it is something that I am working through
with God and in my own way and at a pace that is loving for my soul.

So, I just wanted to mention that it does feel a bit off to me. To send me
a message confronting my "facade"...when I did not ask for you to give me
that input. It feels like you think I should address that at a pace that
you feel is right. But, I am addressing it already with God in a way that
feels really good for my own soul.

Though, I also appreciate your desire to "see" me more fully. That part is
lovely. And I do intend to change my photo soon.

Anyway, I wanted to share that with you. I know on the forum we are seeking
truth and sharing truth, but I don't feel like it is loving to seek out
someone in this way through a personal message to tell them they should be
addressing something.

It is a large area....honoring free will....that I am newly starting to
feel more truth about from all angles. And this is one situation where it
feels like you acted in a way that did not honor my free will....my
relationship to my own soul and my relationship and work I am currently
doing with God on this issue already.

I have done this a lot in my life without realizing it was actually out of
harmony with God's definition of love. And, I am revisiting my motives in
many of my relationships now. And looking at why I am going toward people
wanting them to see and face things.

I hope that makes sense.

Love,
Maureen
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Sent: Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:48 pm
by Pierrejoseph
Hi Maureen,

I have been praying about knowing God's truth about the issue and how
unloving I might have been to you and honestly, I can't see it for the
moment. In fact, all I get is the contrary.

I am not in a clear emotional state where I am able to discern clearly what
is going on within me and you and what is God's truth about the topic. The
reason I am not fully clear is because of my resistance to feel my fear and
grief about how mam treated me and not to placate you in the interaction
because of my belief that I deserve it and it is anyway all my fault.
However, I feel sharing from some place of clarity and love of self and of
you to the extent I am able in the moment, for staying in silence and fear
and flying from what my soul attracted is not loving at all.

Here is what I feel and wish to share in the hope that it might be some
good matter for self reflection for you and hopefully help you. And it
definitely helps me to stand up and take the risk of sharing what I feel is
loving at this point in time and to assume the consequences of it. But, if
if I have been in any way unloving towards you, I would like to feel it in
my heart because I have yet to feel it. I am sure God will tell me.

I understand that any demand/attempt placed on anyone in order to get
someone to change their thoughts, or behavior or emotions projected is not
God's way of love and honoring people free will. It is then accompanied
with expecting a certain emotional outcome, an emotion to be fed in return
in every case: be it a desire to attack, put people down to feel superior
etc, or imposing opinion or giving unsolicited feedback etc... However, I
understand God is constantly and always trying lovingly to help us feel our
errors and release them from us, and this without expectation of us to
change, just with a pure desire for us to be more happy and enjoy our life.
He is using all kinds of ways as the loa (which includes communications
from angels, animals, events and encounters with people in our life
etc...), the law of cause and effect, the law of compensation etc.

As regards to my prayer to now God's truth about the matter, I have not
emotionally felt any wrong about what I have been doing in the sense of my
message would have harmed your free will as you tend to assert, I mean that
it would be attached with a demand /expectation that you should do/change
something about it, or whatever about your profile pic. I was just sharing
with you how I would love to see a picture where I could truly see you. My
opinion was and is still : what is the point to have a profile picture if
one can't hardly see you anyway? I feel it is a valid question. I am
perfectly OK that you feel it is not. I don't want you to change your
picture. I am even perfectly happy with no profile picture at all. I
personally have no picture as many others. I know there is no issue of
breaching the terms of the forum. However, I like nice pictures of people I
don't know because it helps me to connect with them in some ways. I just
shared with you that I would love to see a clear picture of you instead.
So, it might be important for you as it seems from your reaction to my
message. For me, it does not matter at all in the sense that it does not
affect my life at all and I have no personal attachment or interest that
you do anything with it. In other words, my happiness is unaffected by what
you chose to do on the matter. This is why I feel I am able to respond with
some clarity here as I have no reaction whatever you chose to do. To be
honest, I had even no intention to address anything in you in the sense of
confronting an addiction/your facade or something else. The reason is
simple : I had no idea why you used this picture, so how could I address an
issue that I was not aware of? It was a sincere question. I mean one could
have answered in many different ways like :

"I love it!. Don't you? "...finding it beautiful for some reasons I don't
know like it being a piece of art photography or whatever

or

"Yes, I don't like it either and like to change it, but it is all I have
got for the moment."

or

"Yes, I know I have this facade/fear about revealing who I really am and
being exposed to others and I am resistive to deal with it for the moment.
Thank you for reminding me or pointing it out"

Does that make any sense? These would be more humble and truthful answers I
feel.

So, now, I will attempt to be loving us in the process of sharing what I
felt happening for you through the intention of your response, and while
you might feel it "unsolicited" on your part again, I feel it is loving to
address an issue of love going on here because there is matter to grow
here, and not doing anything would mean us living and nurturing our
addictions. Actually I think you might have (or me if you are right) been
breaching some rules of the forum here and that needs to be exposed. And
again I share it for your self reflection, not as God's truth, as I am not
fully clear on the topic:

You have been triggered by my message, and because you are resistive to
feel about your issue related to your facade, not being seen and exposed,
you did not feel what emotions were coming from me to you, and so you felt
attacked / exposed in your facade and you wanted to defend strongly your
facade. As a result, you were not assessing the intention behind my message
correctly as you could not feel it. Actually, because you were not willing
to feel your pain, you responded totally in facade to me. What I mean by
that is that :

- you used many ways to try to demonstrate and justify that the motive of
my message was unloving as a way to avoid feeling your pain (not taking
personal responsibility for your emotions).

- you were thanking me, and using loving words and DT terminology when I
felt from you an angry demand projected at me: don't you dare address my
facade again Pierre. I do my own pace. What I mean, you were being angry at
me for (unexpectedly on my part) pointing out an issue you don't want want
to feel about, and then trying to justify your opinion why I acted
unlovingly towards you in an attempt to manipulate me and make me stop to
trigger your issue/ make you feel better. All what you justify feels
completely off to me in this position of denial where you are blocked to
feel what is really going on. (read below)

- you tend to say that you are learning about honoring people free will but
what you write demonstrates that you have yet to learn the truth about
honoring people free will because you, in this case, you cannot discern a
pure and sincere intention (mine in this case) from a demanding / nasty /
manipulative intention (yours in this case) yet. You are being hypocritical
and not sincere here because you are actually manipulating my will in this
way, while you say you are working on the issue and that I am not
respecting your will. So you tell me "I have the same problem as you do"
and so I know what I am talking about and that you do wrong. But it is not
the case here I feel. (I have personally also yet to understand Free will
fully in my heart, but my techniques to manipulate free will might be
totally different from your, for instance I would placate women to avoid
feeling their rage and my terror and grief, or I would project sexually to
get sexual approval. I might also want in some instance to impose my
opinion onto another to feel better about myself. etc..., to feel superior
/ less unworthy etc. But again, these is not relevant here I feel.)

You say :

it is something that I am working through with God and in my own way
and at a pace that is loving for my soul



you justify you are working with God on the issue at you own pace - when
this shows you are not as you have no humility in your response - , and
your angry/manipulative response (not the words, the intention/emotions
behind I feel) demonstrates that you are just not willing to work on it at
the moment, what would be more a statement of truth. And it is fine and
perfectly your right I agree, But God's desire you to work on it every
moment. Also, I would add it is NOT loving for your soul to resist working
God's Way in having your "own pace". That said, I am as well resistant and
not humble on many issues, and so, really, I do not expect you to be humble
as I am not myself. However, I don't deserve your anger.

you say :

"It feels like you think I should address that at a pace that you feel is
right."



Again you don't feel what is coming at you so you just guess.

you say:

" So, I just wanted to mention that it does feel a bit off to me. To
send me a message confronting my "facade"...when I did not ask for you to
give me that input."



While I fully agree with your statement, I feel you got triggered by a
loving loa event instead. Again, I had not a clue idea my message would
results in triggering an error in you.

You even justify:

"I know on the forum we are seeking truth and sharing truth, but I don't
feel like it is loving to seek out someone in this way through a personal
message to tell them they should be addressing something."



Again you are not honest. You are on the forum and not seeking and sharing
truth on the matter. Well, why are you on the forum then if you don't want
to be triggered in a loving way? I feel it is the whole point to be here,
to learn truth about us and Love and Truth in a non demanding way.

I want to comment about why I chose purposefully to contact you privately.
Simply, because it was a private and personal question for you ! It had
nothing to do with others, and it felt at that time not related to an issue
of love that would benefit others to be made publicly as I already
mentioned before I was not aware of your issue.

I know that you have been acknowledged as one of the most honest and
truthful person on the forum, and while it is certainly the case and I can
often feel your desire to love others and to grow in love and truth, I feel
you have been quite dishonest, attacking and manipulative towards me and
acting fully in your facade in this interaction. This is the reason why I
feel to send a copy of our messages to the administrator in order to get a
feedback closer to Gods truth on the matter as we, but also everybody else
on the forum, can greatly benefit from it.

I tried to be as precise and detailed as possible in my response to you and
I hope this may helps you in any way.

Pierre

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